of Iniquity unto desolation for them who Deny the Christ, Jesus the Lord.
13: For the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches.
Iraq, Babylon Proper, Eretz ISREALHELL
14: And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
the king of the south is secular zion, Sharon, Judah, Aholibah the whore. Her sister Samaria, Aholah the whore sister, Dan the Hassidim Pharisees who control Bush and the whitehouse are battling minutely over the Whore city jerusalem.
15: So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.
For the Sanhedrin who are the Hassidim of Dan already have control of the whore city, but Sharon of secular zion is desperate
16: But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.
Moshiach ben satan the false king of Sanhedrin who the Dragon has given them their seat and their authority
17: He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.
Is the USA Really Israel's Ally?With friends like them, we don't need enemies. Sorry, but facts prove the myth a lie. The United States of America is not a friend of Israel.
by Batya Medad
Jun 24, '05 / 17 Sivan 5765
I'll start with a little history, something I've mentioned previously. It's no secret that the Jewish and Zionist leaders had to lobby hard to convince President Harry Truman and the State Department to vote "yes" in the United Nations, November 29, 1947. The United States had no interest in a Jewish State in the Middle East, just like it didn't use its military to stop the extermination of Jews during World War II, and it turned back Jewish refugees from Europe, even when their return to Germany meant death for them.
The United States didn't aid Israel in its war for independence; arms had to be smuggled out of America by pro-Israelis. Individual Jews and non-Jewish supporters donated money to Israel. Any American "aid" was for American benefit; and the eventual military aid only succeeded in damaging Israel's own military and aircraft industry. The United States demands full control over any arms Israel develops with parts bought from the states. We would do much better without American "help".
Jonathan Jay Pollard has been jailed for twenty years under the most severe conditions for following the terms of American-Israeli defense treaties, which the United States blatantly ignored. There is no precedent for such punishment. The documents he passed to Israel concerned her defense needs, which were included in treaties between the two countries. Not even the most serious espionage by spies from the USSR, during the Communist regime, received such severe punishment. Doesn't it make you wonder whom America considers friend and foe?
America has promised to "stand by" Israel in times of trouble. I think Bill Clinton was president at a time when Israelis were frequently being targeted by Arab terrorists, and he told Israel not to worry, since America would "stand by" Israel. Now, I'm a native American and an English teacher here, and I don't see how such a promise could be a comfort. There's an implied distance; America will wave from the sidelines, but don't expect any active help. America will "stand by" and watch, supervise, criticize, will be "evenhanded".
Jun. 18, 2005, "Rice urges Mofaz to release more Palestinian prisoners". No true friend would tell someone to give gifts to murderous enemies, to reward terrorism. Why should we listen? The United States wouldn't release terrorists who endanger its citizens; why should we? No normal country would. Honestly, doesn't it make you wonder which side the United States is on?
As the saying goes, "It takes two to tango." The only reason that the United States continues treating Israel like an errant child is that we accept it. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons, the Israeli government sees itself as illegitimate. It accepts the abuse and waits patiently for more.
Today, Israeli society is experiencing an internal struggle. Some of us want to be truly independent of foreign rule and others are afraid. Are we a "Western democracy" or a "Jewish State"? Do we need a foreign "patron"? And most importantly, do we owe our existence to another country?
We are at a crossroads. If we don't rid ourselves of foreign control, then we will cease to exist. Israel won't be viable without Judea, Samaria and Gaza. G-d forbid the government succeeds in its plans to amputate our Land; we will find ourselves defenseless, locked in fragile ghettos.
There is no foreign country we can depend on. We must look to G-d and to our own strength. And for our survival, we must send the American busybodies back to Washington. If they're such experts at making "peace", then they should invite Cuba's Castro to the White House for a festive banquet.
Sanhedrin and the hassidim of the Bushkevik ad-menstruation, has Failed to install their Noahide promoter, Sharansky
Sharon Pressure Ends Sharansky Bid to Head Jewish Agency
16:58 Jun 24, '05 / 17 Sivan 5765
A Jewish Agency committee that includes wealthy Americans has yielded to PM Ariel Sharon and has rejected Natan Sharansky's bid to head Israel's strongest official link with the Diaspora.
The Agency's Advise and Consent Committee held a post-midnight session early Friday morning and decided that Sharansky (pictured), a vocal opponent to the government evacuation plan, is too political to head the Jewish Agency. The decision paved the way for Raanana Mayor Zev Bielski, who supports the evacuation and was hand-picked by Prime Minister Sharon, to succeed Salai Meridor as head of the Jewish Agency and World Zionist Organization.
Supporters of Sharon pressured wealthy American donors on the Advise committee to squelch Sharansky's bid, according to media reports. The Advise Committee's decision was non-binding, but Sharansky then resigned from the race, and the World Zionist Organization Assembly Friday morning unanimously approved Bielski as interim head of the Jewish Agency.
However, opponents to Bielski have asked the courts to ban him from the post. Prof. Yisrael Hanukoglu filed a petition in the Jerusalem District Court on grounds of reports that Bielski is a member of the Central Committee of the Likud, whereas he was nominated by the Herut/Merkaz party. "Bielski's road [to the nomination] was closed in the Likud, so how can he then run to be nominated by another party?" asked Hanukoglu. "And in what democratic procedure was Bielski nominated in Herut? ... The main issue here is that people are nominated by manipulations and illegitimate maneuvering."
Sharon's office wheeled and dealed to prevent Sharansky's bid, despite his strong connections with the Diaspora. He was the Minister for Jerusalem and Diaspora Affairs until he resigned several weeks ago because of his opposition to Sharon's plan to abandon Gaza and parts of Samaria.
The World Likud Committee, angry at Sharon both for picking his own candidate without consultation and for the evacuation plan, backed Sharansky, who was given a seat on the Executive Council of the WZO, a requirement for being elected Agency chairman. Meridor, a Likud member and the outgoing chairman, offered to resign in order to give Bielski the required committee seat, but a court ruled that the Likud cannot back a nominee other than Sharansky, the official party candidate.
Sharon's aides, including his son Omri, then turned to the Reform and Conservative executive council representatives, who also were against Sharansky, partly because of his attachment to traditional Judaism, but they declined to relinquish a seat for Beilski.
Sharon's aides then went to the right wing Herut party, headed by former MK Michael Kleiner, a staunch supporter of Jewish life in Judea, Samaria and Gaza (Yesha). Media reports said he agreed to give up his seat to Bielski because they are friends and because Kleiner, a former Likud member, is angry at the party.
Kleiner explained that he supports Bielski "because he said he wouldn't give political statements, whereas Sharansky, though he is against a unilateral disengagement, is also in favor of a Palestinian state if it can be achieved democratically. (Noahide) That means that if Hamas wins the PA elections, he would support a PA state run by Hamas."
The bizarre politicking of this week makes Bielski a right-wing party candidate who will be backed by left-wing and non-Orthodox representatives.
Sharansky said he was disappointed by the decision. "I had wanted to contribute from my vast experience and lead the Jewish Agency that is having difficult problems. Unfortunately, narrow interests and foreign considerations prevented me from running in a fair and democratic manner and winning."
The Likud in Israel accused Prime Minister Sharon and his son Omri of bringing about Sharansky's removal from the race. "It has once again been proven that the Sharon family has no qualms about doing anything to advance its own candidates," the party statement read. "Sharon's people succeeded in blackening Sharansky's image and causing him to be disqualified as a candidate for Jewish Agency Chairman."
New Prophecy of Baa'l from "Eli" the so called little Hassidic Jewish boy.....who never ages
We confess to being quite surprised by this update from Eli. It represents a departure from the realm of "visions" into the realm of practical action, and therefore we feel that it is important to preface these comments with the following disclaimer:
Eli on How to Stop the Disengagement (17 Sivan/23 June 05)
NOTE: Eli is evidently a very special child, and we ourselves personally witnessed a senior, well-respected Yerushalmi mekubal give his brocha to Eli and describe him as a neshama nekiya (a "clean" soul). Eli's statements are surely being revealed to help prepare us for Moshiach's imminent arrival, and anything he says is (in our estimation) worthy to serve as "food for thought". But when it comes to serious life decisions, we urge everyone to heed the guidance of the tzaddikim of our generation and their disciples.
This week, Eli's father was reading aloud a news item relating to the Disengagement, the plan of Ariel Sharon to remove Jews from their homes in Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip (may it never come to pass). Eli was listening, and said excitedly "we better get to Israel to stop them!" When he was told that the plan was not scheduled to occur for another two months, he relaxed and said "oh, so we have some time."
Upon further discussion, Eli was clearly of the opinion that it is important for Jews (and non-Jews who support the Jews) to be in Israel to prevent the planned expulsion of Jews. When asked what we will do to prevent it, he replied "pray". We asked where we should we pray? Can we do it from New York? Should we go to Jerusalem? Or to Gush Katif? He replied that we should go to Gush Katif.
Jn:4:20: Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
Jn:4:21: Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
He also indicated that even someone learning in Yeshiva in a G-d-fearing community should come. However, when we asked which would be better: for a person to go to Gush Katif but not to pray but rather to stand there and shout "Let the Jews stay! Let the Jews stay!", or for a person to remain in New York and recite Psalms and pray, he replied that it would be better to pray in New York than not to pray in Gush Katif. Though our location is evidently important, it remains a spiritual battle.
Although there are people who are very "ideological" about matters such as living in the land of Israel, Eli's family does not hold such opinions. While his father is a Hebrew-speaker, and the sentiments of the family are surely against the planned expulsions, such things are not discussed often in the home. And it may be recalled that elsewhere on the Erev Moshiach website Eli is quoted as saying that living in a G-d-fearing community of Jews (he offered the chassidic communities of Crown Heights and New Square as examples) is just as good as moving to Israel. Therefore, we find Eli's statements rather surprising, and due to this they take on an added significance in our eyes.
Let us take Eli's words as serious food for thought, but let us be guided by the true holy shepherds of the Jewish nation. (That said, it is my opinion that the same Rabbis who presently seem to be announcing the redemption in bold terms will also come out in support of a massive Jewish gathering in Gush Katif to prevent the Disengagement through prayer and Psalms, and that they will encourage Jews from all over the world to come and participate. But until we hear such words from them, let us keep Eli's words in perspective!)
the anti-Christ -V- anti-shems
ACROSS THE FORMER SOVIET UNIONSeems like old times? Prosecutors
looking into Russian Jewish group
June 23, 2005
MOSCOW, June 23 (JTA) — Russian prosecutors have launched a preliminary investigation into a Russian Jewish organization for publishing a 500-year-old Jewish text.
Two weeks ago, Moscow prosecutors declined to open a criminal case against the authors of a letter calling on Russian authorities to ban Jewish religious organizations as extremist. Now, prosecutors have said they intend to investigate a Jewish organization that published the Shulchan Aruch, which the authors of the anti-Semitic letter had cited as evidence for their claim.
The preliminary investigation has led at least one Russian Jewish official to draw parallels to anti-Semitic events in Russia’s past. However, it is not clear whether the initial investigation will lead to a full probe of the Jewish group, the Congress of Jewish Religious Organizations and Communities of Russia, or KEROOR.
The events are motivating Russian Jewish groups that often squabble with each other to find common ground in opposing the prosecutors’ actions.
The letter, which first surfaced in January, called for an investigation into the activities of Jewish religious groups in Russia that work according to “the morals of Shulchan Aruch,” a code of practical halachah, or Jewish law, that the letter claims contains norms that are offensive to Orthodox Christians.
Shulchan Aruch Noahide Laws. The Russians are waking while "Amaraka" is taken from within
Alleging that Jews believe in “anti-Christian morals,” the signatories also demanded that Jews be banned from employment in the civil service and in the media.
The letter, which had 20 Duma deputies among its 5,000 signatories, urged a criminal prosecution of KEROOR, which published a Russian translation of Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, an abridged version of the code, in 1999.
The news that the prosecutors are investigating a Jewish group generated a front-page report on Thursday in one of Russia’s national dailies, and prompted all three of Russia’s major Jewish groups to respond.
Sergey Marchenko, a spokesman for the Moscow prosecutor’s office, told the Izvestia newspaper that his agency found it necessary to look into KEROOR, although he declined to say what prompted this move.
Izvestia speculated that the probe may result in a criminal charge of extremism against KEROOR.
The probe incensed Russian Jewish groups. Even a Jewish organization that has been at odds with KEROOR said it is flabbergasted that prosecutors went after a Jewish organization instead of prosecuting those who penned the anti-Semitic letter.
“We are outraged by the very fact of this check,” Alexander Boroda, chairman of the board of the Federation of Jewish Communities, told the AEN news agency on Thursday. “A review of books that were written in the 16th or 17th century and are our heritage tells about the shortsightedness of the Moscow prosecutor’s office,” he added.
Rarely do national newspapers in Russia publish rabbinical commentaries on a classical Jewish text in a front-page story.
But that happened this week when Izvestia ran a detailed commentary by Pinchas Goldschmidt, Moscow’s chief rabbi and head of the rabbinical court affiliated with KEROOR, who provided his remarks on the passages in the Shulchan Aruch that seemed to most irritate those who penned the anti-Semitic letter. Among the passages is a prohibition for Jews to teach non-Jews any crafts or for Jewish women to help non-Jewish women during childbirth.
In his comments for the paper, Goldschmidt explained that such laws and prohibitions originated in ancient history — some in pre-Christian times more than 2,500 years ago — and referred to idol worshippers, not to Christians.
While his commentary might help the Russia public understand the ongoing dispute over an obscure Jewish code, Goldschmidt told JTA he was uncomfortable providing such comments to the newspaper.
“It’s ironic that I’m going into the role of my predecessor, Rabbi Yakov Maze,” Goldschmidt said, referring to the Moscow chief rabbi who testified on matters of Jewish law during the Beilis trial, an infamous 1913 blood libel case.
“The issues that were at stake during the Beilis trial back then came back to haunt Russia today,” Goldschmidt said.
In a related development, leaders of two Russian Jewish organizations called on the leadership of the Socialist International on Thursday to prevent the organization of social democratic, socialist and labor parties from accepting into its ranks a Russian party whose leaders signed the anti-Semitic letter.
In separate statements, the Federation of Jewish Communities and the Russian Jewish Congress reminded the Socialist International leadership that most of the Russian lawmakers who signed the letter were representatives of Rodina, a left-leaning nationalist party and one of the four Russian political parties currently represented in the Russian Duma, or parliament.
According to some reports, the Socialist International is currently considering a membership application from Rodina.
Leaders of the Federation of Jewish Communities told a conference in Moscow that Rodina members are suffused with anti-Semitism and xenophobia.
“Not one of them apologized,” Vladimir Slutsker, the RJC president, said in his statement, referring to the Rodina members who signed the letter. “Not one was expelled from the party or from the Rodina parliamentary faction.”
In the meantime, the leader of Rodina, Dmitry Rogozin, wrote to Goldschmidt on Thursday, distancing himself from the members of his party who signed the letter.
Rogozin, whose party has gained in popularity since it was founded a few years ago, wrote that in his party’s opinion, theological sources cannot serve the basis for legal prosecution of anyone regardless of faith, including Jews.
He said he regretted that the letter was signed by members of his party and condemned anti-Semitism and xenophobia. Yet, Rogozin’s letter did not mention any sanctions against the 14 Rodina lawmakers who signed the anti-Semitic letter.
Goldschmidt cautiously welcomed the letter but said he would expect Rogozin to rebuke — and perhaps even expel — those lawmakers from his party.
He said the situation created by the anti-Semitic letter and the follow-up reaction of the prosecutors testified to the fact that anti-Semitism is being used for political gain, especially during the run-up to the next parliamentary election, due in late 2007.
“Whether we want it or not, religious anti-Semitism has already become a prime factor in the upcoming elections,” said Goldschmidt.
Office of John Bolton
BEHIND THE HEADLINESJewish inaction in Bolton fight
highlights groups’ policy dilemmas
WASHINGTON, June 21 (JTA) — The White House is pressing American Jewish organizations to speak out in favor of John Bolton, President Bush’s choice for U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, as Republicans push for votes to approve him.
June 16, 2005
While Bolton has been criticized by Democrats, he has been well received in the Jewish community, predominantly because he was the architect of the 1991 repeal of an infamous 1975 United Nations resolution denigrating Zionism as racism.
But Jewish groups have not expended much energy on Bolton’s behalf. That has angered Bush administration officials who say that Bolton’s philosophy on U.N. reform is in line with Jewish community views, and that the community should be backing a nominee who can help Israel in the international body.
The administration also hopes Jewish community support will counterbalance lingering questions about Bolton’s past statements and work style, and help him win the necessary votes for Senate confirmation.
“We are surprised at the half-hearted efforts by Jewish organizations who know that John Bolton is exactly the right guy to bring reform to the United Nations, which is an institution desperately in need of reform,” a White House official said.
The lack of effort on Bolton’s behalf highlights the dilemmas Jewish groups face in taking policy positions.
While Bolton may appeal to some groups, speaking out for him might pit them against liberal colleagues who are concerned about some of Bolton’s actions, and even against some of their own members, who have been reluctant to support a White House appointee because of Bush’s stances on domestic policy issues. When asked about efforts for Bolton, several Jewish groups said they don’t take positions on nominations, viewing them essentially as partisan battles.
Jason Isaacson, director of government and international affairs at the American Jewish Committee, said his organization finds nomination battles “personal and political” and said they don’t necessarily advance the AJCommittee’s agenda.
“But we’re certainly on record in the past as having been grateful to John Bolton on positions he has taken on ‘Zionism equals racism’ and highlighting non proliferation,” Isaacson said.
Republicans have been unable to garner the Senate votes needed to move the nomination forward amid allegations that Bolton tried to exaggerate U.S. intelligence about Syria and Cuba and that he bullied subordinates at the State Department.
On Monday, for the second time in a month, Senate Republicans were unable to garner the 60 votes necessary to end debate. The White House reportedly is considering a recess appointment for Bolton, which would put him in the job for 18 months without a Senate vote.
Democrats have been seeking additional information about Bolton’s knowledge of several countries’ weapons programs, but also have suggested that his criticism of the United Nations might make him an inappropriate choice as U.S. envoy.
They have tried to block his nomination by voting against cloture — in effect, filibustering. Republicans failed to garner the necessary 60 votes for cloture on May 26, losing 56-42. Monday’s vote was 54-38, suggesting Bolton’s support is dwindling.
The White House has been watching Jewish groups’ engagement on the issue for several months, since Bolton’s nomination became controversial. But they have become more proactive in recent weeks, calling Jewish organizational officials to ask what they’re doing to back Bolton.
The White House wants Jewish figures to reach out to senators, especially Democrats, extolling Bolton’s pro Israel record. But that has not happened.
Many Jewish organizational leaders said their support of Bolton is known; indeed, some issued press releases praising his nomination when it was announced in March.
“They know we are supportive of Bolton,” said Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations. The conference met last week with congressional leaders of both parties, but Bolton was barely discussed.
One Senate Democratic staffer said prominent Jewish donors have praised Bolton’s support for Israel, but that Jewish organizations have done no lobbying for him.
Some Jewish officials in Washington suggested the issue was not a priority, while others hinted they didn’t want to get involved in such a divisive issue.
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which brought 5,000 delegates to Capitol Hill last month, didn’t push Bolton’s nomination in the group’s action agenda, even after former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer backed him in a speech at AIPAC’s policy conference.
Ari the Chassid Chabad Lubavitcher who Bushkevik does the daily Daf yomi shiuer with.....TALMUD STUDY of the Dragon
The White House wants AIPAC to make the nomination a priority, and to count the cloture vote for Bolton as part of the group’s assessment of senators’ records on Israel.
Jeffrey Berkowitz, White House liaison to the Jewish community, sent an e-mail last week to Jewish leaders highlighting Bolton’s support for Israel, his work on non-proliferation issues and his commitment to U.N. reform. A similar e-mail was sent by the Republican Jewish Coalition.
White House officials say backing Bolton aggressively is in keeping with the Jewish community’s emphasis on U.N. reform. Indeed, Jewish groups actively backed the U.N. Reform Bill of 2005, which passed the House of Representatives on Friday.
The bill would press the United Nations to make Israel a full member of the Western European and Others Group, where it is now a temporary member, and would withhold some U.S. contributions to the United Nations until that happens.
The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs has been actively backing Bolton. The organization, which has stronger ties to foreign policy conservatives than most other Jewish groups, has been reaching out to senators and issuing statements backing Bolton.
“I think he deserves all the support he can get from the Jewish community,” said Tom Neumann, JINSA’s executive director.
Neumann said Jews have almost an obligation to back Bolton, suggesting he would be in the same mold as Jeane Kirkpatrick and Daniel Patrick Moynihan — strong supporters of Israel — as U.N. ambassador
Jun. 23, 2005 19:29 | Updated Jun. 24, 2005 14:10
Reawakening the teachings of contempt
By ROBERT EVERETT AND DEXTER VAN ZILE
For the past few years, liberal Protestant theologians have warned Israelis and American Jews of the alleged anti-Semitism inherent in the end-time scenarios offered by evangelical Christians in the US. Evangelical love for Israel, we are told, is not rooted in regard for the Jews, but is merely a byproduct of their desire to witness the Second Coming of Christ, an event some Christians believe was hastened by the establishment of the State of Israel.
SECRET Rapture of them who truly hate Jews and Refuse to Stand Firm in the ONLY Everlasting Holy Covenant the TRUE IAMHE. These who are fearful and unbelieving.
While the end-time scenarios offered by some evangelicals, are indeed disturbing for Jews – and many Christians – the hostility toward Israel encouraged by liberal Protestants poses a much greater near-term threat to Jews than anything the evangelicals espouse.
For they Stand FIRM against the "SAYERS" when the evangelicals flee in fear
Despite repeated assertions that they have removed all traces of anti-Semitism from their theology, the leadership of mainline Protestant denominations in the US have helped breathe new life into the teachings of contempt for Jews in their indiscriminate support for Palestinian theologians such as Naim Ateek, a former Anglican canon who serves as president of the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center. Ateek is regarded as a "peacemaker" in the US even as he recycles the deicide charge against the Jews and directs the hostility it arouses against the Jewish state.
Oh how they turn lukewarm churchians against one another by their Proxy of their shame
For example, in December 2000, Ateek wrote that Palestinian Christmas celebrations were "marred by the destructive powers of the modern-day "Herods" who are represented in the Israeli government."
anti-Christ -V- anti-shems
In his 2001 Easter Message, Ateek wrote: "The Israeli government crucifixion system is operating daily. Palestine has become the place of the skull." And in a February 2001 sermon, Ateek likened the Israeli occupation to the boulder sealing Christ's tomb.
With these three images, Ateek has figuratively blamed Israel for trying to kill the infant Jesus, crucifying Jesus the prophet and blocking the resurrection of Christ the Savior. The use of such images is not the language of peacemaking, but part of an inexcusable effort to breathe new life into Christian theological hostility toward Jews and focus its vile energy on the Jewish state.
It has never left the true believers for Judaism is contrary unto all mankind. Jerusalem is the Great Harlot who chooses the "Robber" that spiritual Sodom and Egypt where our LORD was crucified
Ateek is not the only religious figure to use biblical passages to delegitimize Israel. Mitri Raheb, a Lutheran pastor in Bethlehem, asserts that Israel's claim to the land is not rooted in the Bible but rather is a consequence of political necessity. Fair enough, but Raheb then argues that because of its historical connection to the Old Testament, Israel must adhere to the obligations that come with this covenant. The implication is clear: Because of its Jewishness, Israel is held to a higher standard of conduct than its adversaries.
RAHEB'S RHETORIC is bland compared to that of Donald Wagner, a professor at North Park University, a Christian college in Chicago owned by the Evangelical Covenant Church. Wagner, a well-known critic of Christian Zionism, invokes the image of a "killer vine" destroying one of his prized rose bushes to describe "Zionist occupation of Palestine."
In his book, Dying in the Land of Promise, Wagner writes: "The weeds and vines had moved in to take over the land and disrupt both the flowers and vegetables that had been the previous dwellers."
To portray Israelis as killer vines is to deny their humanity and justify violence against them, because after all, weeds must be uprooted and destroyed. Coming from a putatively religious figure like Wagner, this is inexcusable.
One would think passages like these would provoke condemnation from the leaders of liberal Protestant denominations in the US who so loudly condemned The Passion of the Christ for its alleged anti-Semitism, but the response so far has been worse than silence – it has been active support for their political agenda. Ateek and Raheb have been lionized by Protestant leaders in the US as moderates and voices for peace.
WOE unto you, Pharisees
and Woe unto you, Bush and your hassidim
Italy Judge Orders Arrest of 13 CIA Agents
Jun 24, 9:28 AM (ET)
ROME (AP) - An Italian judge has ordered the arrest of 13 CIA agents for allegedly helping deport an imam to Egypt as part of U.S. anti-terrorism efforts, an Italian official familiar with the investigation said Friday.
The agents are suspected in the seizure of an Egyptian-born imam identified as Abu Omar on the streets of Milan in February 2003, according to the official, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.
The U.S. Embassy in Rome declined to comment.
Prosecutors believe the agents seized Omar as part of the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" program, in which terror suspects are transferred to third countries without court approval, according to reports Friday in newspapers Corriere della Sera and Il Giorno.
Investigators traced the agents through check-in details at Milan hotels and their use of Italian cell phones during the operation, the reports said. All the agents are American and include three women, Il Giorno said.
The reports said another six agents were being investigated for helping prepare the operation.
They said police also received an eyewitness account from an Egyptian woman who heard Omar calling for help and saw him being bundled into a white van as he walked from his house to a mosque.
The report said Omar was taken to Aviano, a joint U.S.-Italian base north of Venice, and was flown from there to another U.S. air base in Ramstein, Germany, before being taken in a second jet to Cairo.
A judge also has issued a separate arrest warrant for Omar, news agencies ANSA and Apcom said. In that warrant, Judge Guido Salvini claimed the seizure of Omar represented a violation of Italian sovereignty, Apcom reported.
Earlier this month, Milan prosecutor Armando Spataro told The Associated Press that the prosecution was treating the disappearance of Omar as an abduction.
Spataro declined to say who was suspected for the alleged abduction, but he said Omar's disappearance damaged an ongoing operation by Italian authorities. He said he visited the air base in February.
Omar was believed to have fought with jihadists in Afghanistan and Bosnia, and prosecutors were seeking evidence against him before his disappearance, according to a report last year in La Repubblica newspaper, which cited intelligence officials.
Italian papers have reported that Omar, 42, called his wife and friends in Milan after his release last year, recounting he had been seized by Italian and American agents and taken to a secret prison in Egypt, where he was tortured with electric shocks.
Italian officials believe he now is living in Egypt, although Italian newspaper accounts suggested he was returned to custody shortly after his release
One Big Happy gods and goy family, and Heil Bushkevik knows the "Road Map" leads to Hell.
Rabbi Eliyahu: Police and Soldiers Must Say, "I Can´t Do It"
18:23 Jun 24, '05 / 17 Sivan 5765
In light of confusion regarding the ruling of Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu regarding how to avoid carrying out disengagement-related orders, the rabbi issued a series of answers clarifying his position.
Excerpts from the question-and-answers of the Rishon LeTzion and former Chief Sephardic Rabbi:
Q. Is settlement in Gush Katif and northern Shomron a fulfillment of the Torah commandment to live in the Land of Israel?
A. It is a "top-grade" fulfillment of this Biblical commandment...
Q. When [you] say that the disengagement will not come to pass, is this a prayer, or a description of reality?
A. Both. We pray that this evil thought will be nullified, and we are certain that the prayer will help and the decision will be canceled. We must greatly strengthen ourselves in prayer to the Creator that He cancel this immoral act of expelling Jews from the Holy Land, and I believe that the prayer will bring about a reality of "it will not come to pass."
Q. Is it permitted to actively help in the expulsion?
A. It is absolutely forbidden.
Q. A career officer or policeman - must he resign?
A. ...They need not resign in fear that the expulsion may happen. They must inform their commanders that they cannot carry out these orders, and ask to be excused from training exercises related to the disengagement.
Q. A reserves soldier who is called up to the army and whose service helps the disengagement directly or indirectly - must he ask to be released from this reserve duty?
A. ...Yes, certainly, he must ask for such a release and not help directly or indirectly.
Q. What happens if he is not released and is threatened with imprisonment?
A. We said above that the Torah prohibits us from taking part in this act. Therefore, a soldier must tell his commander, "I am not refusing orders, but I cannot fulfill this order."... [and if he ends up sitting in jail for this, it will be considered a merit for him, and 'he is fortunate that he was caught because of something the Torah commanded him.']
Q. If so, what did [you] mean in [your] ruling not to refuse orders?
A. We do not want to dismantle the army that protects the residents and the citizens, and therefore we are against refusal in principle. The soldier must say, "I can't." If they force him to do this forbidden act, he should enter the family's house, sit on the floor, cry with them, and be saved from the prohibition in a passive manner.
[The rabbi also spoke warmly in favor of moving to Katif at this time and helping Katif farmers plant now, even when the expected harvest date is months from now.]
Q. Road-blockings, which are a protest measure used by port workers, taxi drivers and others - are they a permitted manner of protest against expulsion of Jews?
A. We must maximize our "causeless love" for one another, as opposed to "causeless hatred." On the other hand, there is an obligation to protest. I therefore repeat what I have said in the past, that it is permitted to block roads only where there is an alternative route for the drivers...
In sum, we must do everything to increase unity in Israel, and we will continue to pray to the Creator that He give counsel to the government to cancel this decree... There must be public prayers everywhere; this is the best way to cancel the decree.
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The Obligation of Jews to Seek Observance of Noachide Laws by Gentiles: A Theoretical Review
by Rabbi Michael J. Broyde[*]
ABSTRACTThis paper addresses the scope of Jewish law's mandate upon Jews to enforce the Seven Noachide commandments, as well as any other rules Jewish law mandates that Gentiles should keep. Part One of this article outlines what are the Noachide commandments, and their place in a halachic system. Part Two discusses the obligation of both Jews and Noachides under the rubric of the commandment called dinim (literally: "laws" or "justice"). Part Three reviews the various opinions on the obligation of Jews to enforce the Noachide commandments. Part Three will consider not only whether enforcement must be sought, but in situations where enforcement is not possible, whether Jewish law mandates Jews to seek to persuade Noachides to obey their commandments. It will also consider whether -- when such persuasion fails -- Jewish law, at the minimum, requires that one may not assist a Gentile in violating the Noachide commandments.
This article concludes that notwithstanding a minority opinion to the contrary, Jewish law accepts that Gentiles are obligated to keep the Noachide laws, and they are obligated even for unintentional violations. So too, Jewish law recognizes that Gentiles are obligated to create a system of laws designed to -- at the minimum -- enforce the Noachide laws.
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Finally, while Maimonides appears to accept that Jews as well as Noachides are obligated to enforce the Noachide laws, many authorities, early and late, reject this rule of Maimonides and deny that there is a halachic obligation on individual Jews to compel Noachides to observe their laws. Finally this article noted that whether there is (or is not) a halachic obligation to affirmatively enforce the Noachide laws, it is nonetheless still biblically prohibited to enable or entice a Noachide to violate the Noachide laws (if absent a Jew's assistance, the law would not be violated). However, in a situation where the Noachide is able to violate the law without the assistance of any Jew, many authorities rule that there is no obligation to prevent a Noachide from sinning and thus one may even assist the Noachide in sin.
I. Introduction [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
This paper will address the scope of halacha's mandate upon Jews to enforce the Seven Noachide commandments, as well as any other rules Jewish law mandates that Gentiles should keep. It will do so from a purely theoretical perspective, without any attempt to apply the rules developed to America in the 1990's or any other particular (factual) setting. Rather, the purpose of this article is to determine which options concerning enforcement are halachically acceptable. In the field of "Jewish public policy" the first question that must be asked is which (if any) of the theoretical options are, in fact, prohibited by Jewish law. After that question is answered, then one can consider which of the remaining options most closely accomplishes whatever Jewish goal is sought.
Part One of this article outlines what are the Noachide commandments, and their place in a halachic system. Part Two discusses the obligation of both Jews and Noachides under the rubric of the commandment called dinim (literally: "laws" or "justice"). Part Three reviews the various opinions on the obligation of Jews to enforce the Noachide commandments. Part Three will consider not only whether enforcement must be sought, but in situations where enforcement is not possible, whether Jewish law mandates Jews to seek to persuade Noachides to obey their commandments. It will also consider whether -- when such persuasion fails -- Jewish law, at the minimum, requires that one may not assist a Gentile in violating the Noachide commandments.
II. The Noachide Laws [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
1. Preliminary Issues [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
Before one can explore the obligation upon Jews to enforce Noachide law, it is necessary to determine if Jewish law accepts that these commandments are still binding on Noachides. The talmud recounts, as one possible resolution of an unrelated tort law problem, that:God observed the Gentiles of the land -- What did He see? He saw that the seven commandments He gave the Noachides were not observed and thus He permitted these seven commandments to them.Based on this assertion, Bach, Rabbi Chaim Abulafia, Penai Yehoshua, Maharit (and perhaps Chatam Sofer and a version of Tosafot ) all indicate that Gentiles are no longer legally obligated even to keep the Noachide commandments and those who do keep them would be in the status of one "not obligated and observing." This can perhaps be inferred from the comments of Rashi, as well. As noted by Penai Yehoshua, if these commandments are no longer binding on Noachides, the problems associated with assisting a violation or not encouraging observance would greatly decrease, and indeed Penai Yehoshua rules that the only thing that would still be prohibited would be actually enticing them to do something that Noachides cannot do without the assistance of a Jew.
Most authorities reject this insight and accept that the Noachide commandments are fully binding. They argue that it is difficult to accept that all of the talmudic discussions concerning Noachide law are predicated on the unstated assumption of the abrogation of the Noachide obligation or even the abrogation of the biblical obligation. Indeed, this position appears to be rejected by every single one of the early authorities (rishonim) who codified the Noachide laws and the numerous later authorities (achronim) who did so. Thus, it is safe to state that Jewish law treats the Noachide laws as binding. Indeed, there are numerous discussions within the Shulchan Aruch and its commentaries which simply assume that the Noachide laws are fully binding.
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A second preliminary issue is whether the unintentional violation of one of the Noachide commandments leads to legal culpability in Jewish law. Based on a statement of Maimonides, Minchat Chinuch rules:When is it prohibited to hand a Noachide something forbidden to him? This is only when he knows that it is prohibited; but when he does not know that it is prohibited, there is no prohibition, since in this case there is complete un-intentionality (lit: shegaga gemorah) and a Noachide violates no rule when his violation is completely unintentional.If this Minchat Chinuch is correct, a case could be made that Noachides are, in fact, better served by not teaching them laws.
Many authorities disagree with the Minchat Chinuch and limit the permissive ruling to a situation where the Noachide recognizes the category of activity as prohibited, but merely does not recognize this particular action as in violation. However, when the Noachide does not recognize the whole category of activity as prohibited, his actions still rise to the level of legal culpability. Others simply reject the whole insight of the Minchat Chinuch and base their view on an explicit Tosafot that appears to do the same. These authorities rule that Noachides are always obligated to obey the law and culpability is thus always present. Thus, it is well established that Gentiles benefit from being taught the Noachide laws.
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2. The Content of Noachide Laws [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
Having established that the Noachide commandments are binding on Gentiles, and that lack of knowledge does not excuse obligation, it is necessary to explore what the commandments are. The talmud recounts seven categories of prohibition: idol worship, taking God's name in vain, murder, prohibited sexual activity, theft, eating flesh from a living animal, and the obligation to enforce laws. As is obvious from this list, these seven commandments are generalities which contain within them many specifications -- thus, for example, the single categorical prohibition of sexual promiscuity includes both adultery and the various forms of incest. As has been noted already, these Noachide laws appear to encompass nearly 60 of the 613 biblical commandments incumbent on Jews, which is nearly one in four of those biblical commandments generally applicable in post-temple times. What might make the practical application of the Noachide laws sometimes difficult is the frequently wide divergence of opinion found within the various Jewish authorities concerning details of many Noachide laws. A simple example illustrates this:
The Jerusalem Talmud recounts that there is no formal divorce according to Noachide law. The rishonim understand this in three completely different ways. Some claim that this means that divorce is legally impossible for a Gentile and once married there is no way to end the marriage. Others maintain that the Talmudic passage means that there is no formal process of divorce, and either spouse can end the marriage by simply leaving the family unit. Yet other authorities insist that in Noachide law a man may never divorce his wife -- but she may divorce him at will. Similar disputes touch many core areas of Noachide law, leaving the resolution of many hard cases very difficult to determine. Indeed, before one seeks to apply the details of Noachide law to issues in current society, it is necessary to determine what precisely is the Noachide obligation.
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However, disputes about the details should not be overstated to undermine the clarity of the general principles. The application of Noachide law to many general areas is relatively clear. Homosexuality is forbidden, as is adultery and bestiality. Murder is prohibited, and subsumed in the prohibition of murder is abortion. So too, most forms of theft are prohibited, as is eating the flesh of a living animal. Indeed, the general Noachide laws share a common base of "ethics" that most religious peoples would share.
III. The Obligation of "Laws" or "Justice" [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
The final commandment in the Noachide code is dinim, commonly translated as "laws" or "justice". Two vastly different interpretations of this commandment are found among the early authorities. Maimonides rules that the obligations of dinim require only that the enumerated Noachide laws be enforced in practice. Maimonides states:How are [Noachides] obligated by dinim?. They must create courts and appoint judges in every provence to enforce these six commandments . . for this reason the inhabitants of Shechem [the city] were liable to be killed since Shechem [the person] stole [Dina], and the inhabitants saw and knew this and did nothing.According to Maimonides it is logical to assume that other types of regulations that society might make are subsumed under the rubric of either "laws of the land" or "laws of the king." Their binding authority is quite different.
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Nachmanides argues with this formulation and understands the obligations of dinim to be much broader. It encompasses not only the obligations of society to enforce rules, but it also obligates society to create general rules of law governing such cases as fraud, overcharging, repayment of debts and the like. Within the opinion of Nachmanides there is a secondary dispute as to what substantive laws Noachides are supposed to adopt. Rama, writing in his responsa, states that according to Nachmanides in those areas of dinim where Gentiles are supposed to create laws, they are obligated to incorporate Jewish law into Noachide law unless it is clear contextually that it is inappropriate. Most authorities reject this interpretation and accept either Maimonides ruling or that according to Nachmanides those rules created under the rubric of dinim need only be generally fair, and need not be identical to Jewish law. This author cannot find even a single rishon who accepts the ruling of Rama, and one can find many who explicitly disagree.
The dispute concerning the nature of the commandment called dinim is extremely relevant to explaining the obligation of Jews to provide guidance and seek enforcement of the Noachide laws. It would appear to this author that Maimonides accepts that the biblical commandment of dinim (or some Noachide cognate of it) compels enforcement by all -- Jews as well as Gentiles -- of these seven laws, perhaps because Jews too are bound by them. Maimonides in his explanation of the laws of dinim does not appear to limit them to Noachides only. Indeed, writing much more recently, Rabbi Yoseph Engel, Rabbi Meir Simcha MeDivinsk, Rabbi Yecheil Yakov Weinberg, Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein all seem to indicate that there is some residual jurisdictional impact upon Jews from their Noachide obligation. For example, Rabbi Meir Simcha recounts that if a Jewish child who is not yet bar or bat mitzva, and thus not an adult according to Jewish law, comprehends the nature of right and wrong, he or she is obligated according to torah law in the Noachide commandments, since according to Noachide law he is an adult. In a similar vein, Rabbi Weinberg states that a marriage entered into between two Jews which is technically invalid according to Jewish law still creates a Noachide marriage between the couple.
The opposite claim could be made according to Nachmanides (as interpreted by those who disagree with Rama). Since the obligation to create dinim according to Nachmanides includes in it other obligations clearly not applicable to Jews (such as the creation of a general civil or secular law system governing all other than Jewish) it would appear that Nachmanides could not accept a Jewish obligation to participate in dinim. That is not to say that Jews need not obey dinim or other aspects of the Noachide code according to Nachmanides. Indeed, it is clear that a number of authorities find some connection between the obligation of dinim and the halachic mandate of dina demalchuta dina, the obligation of Jews to obey the secular law. If Noachides are obligated in the creation of general secular law and not only the enforcement of these six specified commandments, it would seem logical that Jews must too obey these dinim, at least in interactions with Noachides. However, a crucial observation must be made. Merely because Jewish law rules that one is obligated to obey Noachide law does not mean that one is necessarily obligated to assist in its enforcement. The two are not necessarily interrelated.
Indeed, as noted by Chazon Ish, Jewish law requires respect of the Noachide legal pronouncements even in a situation where the Noachide judges themselves do not fully observe Noachide law. Chazon Ish was asked concerning the obligation to accept legal pronouncements from a Noachide court that does not generally observe (or enforce) all of the seven commandments, but "observes the law concerning sanctity of life and theft of property." Chazon Ish replies that if they are enforcing even a section of the Noachide laws properly, it is halachically necessary to respect those pronouncements. However, respect does not necessarily mean that full participation is mandatory.
In sum, there certainly is an obligation upon Noachides -- at the minimum -- to create a legal system designed to enforce Noachide law. Jews have an obligation to recognize and respect this system, even if it is incomplete in its observance of Noachide law. According to many, there would appear to be a residual impact of Noachide law in Jewish law.
IV. The Obligation to Teach or Judge Noachides [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
Maimonides states:Moses, our teacher, only willed Torah and mitzvot to the Jewish people, since it states "An inheritance to the community of Jacob." . . . One [who is not Jewish] who does not wish to, we do not compel to accept Jewish law. So too, Moses our teacher was commanded by God to compel the commandments to the Noachides. All who do not accept are killed. One who accepts them [voluntarily] is called a ger toshav [literally: resident alien]. . .So, too, Maimonides recounts that:
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A Jewish court [beit din] is obligated to appoint judges for ger toshaves [literally: resident alien] to judge them in order that the world not be destroyed. If the Jewish court wishes to appoint judges from within their midst, it may; if it wishes to appoint judges from the Jews, it may.Finally, Maimonides rules that:One who takes an adult slave from an idol worshiper, and the slave does not wish to be circumcised one may delay up to twelve months . . If one agreed concerning this slave with his previous owner not to circumcise him, it is permitted to keep the slave uncircumcised; however, the slave must keep the seven commandments obligatory on Noachides and if not, he is killed immediately.This article will address three basic issues that flow from the formulation of Maimonides. They are:(1) Is there an obligation upon each individual Jew to coerce compliance; or is the obligation only on beit din and if so, which court; or perhaps classical halacha rejects this ruling of Maimonides.Indeed, the answer to each of these three inter-related questions is in dispute, and each of these disputes is quite central to many of the issues raised in this paper.
(2) When a Noachide will violate these rules no matter what posture Jews take, may Jews assist in the sin or at the least must a Jew decline to assist in a violation of Noachide laws.
(3) Is there an obligation to induce or persuade a Noachide to comply with the Noachide laws, or even to teach Noachides about their obligations, or (if there is an obligation) is it limited to the obligation to coerce (lekof).
Jesus the Christ is the Everlasting Father, Almighty God....and just think I was not coerced by a Talmudic son of satan
1. The Obligation to Compel Observance [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
A. Maimonides' Approach [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
A simple reading of the rules of Maimonides' would indicate that Jews or a Jewish court are obligated in (at the minimum) coercing Noachides to observe their laws. Such is not the only way, however, to interpret Maimonides' statements. Maharatz Chayut in his responsa seems to adopt a formulation of Maimonides ruling that makes this law a mere historical recounting of facts. He states (quoting the Rashbash):Sanhedren 56b recounts that the Jews were commanded in ten commandments at Marah; these ten commandments were the seven laws of Noah, the Sabbath laws, dinim, and respect for one's parents. Why did the Jews need to be commanded again [on the seven Noachide laws] since Jews were already commanded from the time of Adam and Noah...Since we conclude that commandments that were given prior to Sinai to Noachides, and not repeated at Sinai, are obligatory only for Jews, the seven commandments had to be repeated at Sinai to obligate Noachides. Based on this Rashbash, the assertion of Maimonides that "Moses, our teacher, only willed Torah and mitzvot to the Jewish people, since it states 'An inheritance to the community of Jacob.'" ... and his assertion that 'Moses our teacher was commanded by God to compel the commandments obligatory to the children of Noah' appear logical. Why was Moses also the messenger to the rest of the world to compel observance of the seven commandments, perhaps they are obligated by Adam or Noach? Rather we see that Moses being commanded at Marah on the seven Noachide commandments, even though Gentiles were already commanded, was done to make Noachides obligated in the mitzvot even now.Thus, according to Maharatz Chayut, there is no obligation for any specific Jew, in any circumstance to compel observance by a Noachide. Rather Maimonides is merely explaining the jurisprudential basis for the obligation of Noachides to their seven commandments -- absent Moses' re-commandment at Sinai, only Jews would have been obligated in Noachide law. The most that one could claim according to Maharatz Chayut is that perhaps Moses himself was obligated to compel observance of the Noachide laws; Jews currently are not -- apparently neither in the context of a beit din nor in the context of any specific individual. Maharatz Chayut would then limit Maimonides' rule obligating Jews to establish courts and appoint judges to those Noachides who formally accept the obligations of a ger toshav (resident alien) and who live in the Jewish community and who are dependent on it for law and order "lest the world be destroyed". Certainly in the diaspora there are few such communities of Noachides; although if there were, and they could not see fit to enforce the law themselves, a Jew should guide them. Similar claims that Maimonides' rules do not create a practical legal obligation can be found in Aruch Hashulchan, the writings of Rabbi Yehuda Gershuni, Rabbi Shaul Yisrali and Rabbi Menachem Mendel Kasher, the author of Torah Shelama, all of whom assert that the opinion of Maimonides itself is to be understood as limited to yemot hamashe'ach (or perhaps less ideally, full Jewish law in Israel).
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However, all of these explanations of Maimonides' ruling are difficult and the simple understanding of Maimonides is that (at the least) a person that is capable of forcing compliance, must. Indeed, while Rabbi Karo does appear to limit the application of Maimonides somewhat, he clearly understands Maimonides as requiring compulsion whenever possible, even by an individual. This is similarly understood to be the opinion of Maimonides by Tzafnach Panaich, in his lengthy discussion on this topic. A ruling similar to Maimonides' is found in Chinuch 192, where it states:The rule is as follows: In all that the nations are commanded, any time they are under our jurisdiction, it is incumbent upon us to judge them when they violate the commandments.
B. The Approach of Ravad, Nachmanides, Tosafot and others [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
A large number of rishonim appear simply to disagree with the opinion of Maimonides, and rule that there is no obligation upon an individual Jew to impose Noachide rules on Gentiles. Included in this group is at least Ravad, Nachmanides, Tosafot and perhaps Rashi and Rashba. Ravad, in disagreeing with the rulings of Maimonides that a slave who refuses to accept one of the seven commandments ought to be killed states "the slave should be sold. We cannot, now, kill a person." While one could understand this assertion as merely practical, it is more likely that Ravad is limiting the juridical power of the Jewish community in punishing Noachides for violations of the Noachide code. Under this analysis, it would, according to Ravad, take an authorized beit din (Jewish court) of 23 functioning when the Sanhedren is legally empowered to impose capital punishment, to kill for violations of the Noachide code. Thus Ravad disagrees with Maimonides, and at least limits the obligation of Jews to impose law on Noachides to situations that do not now (and will not in the pre-messianic era) exist.
Proof that this is in fact the approach of Ravad can be derived from his ruling in Malachim 6:1 which allows the subjugation of Noachides to a Jewish nation in war time without the imposition of observance of the Noachide commandments, as Maimonides requires. This would make the positions of Maimonides and Ravad, in their writings in Milah and Malachim consistent on this issue.
Similarly, Nachmanides agrees with Ravad and does not require the imposition of the Noachide commandments as part of a negotiated peace between Israel and its Noachide neighbors. He indicates that it is the military goals alone which determine whether peace terms are acceptable. According to Nachmanides, Jewish law would compel the "victor" to accept peace terms which include all of the victors' demands except the imposition of Noachide law on the defeated society; Maimonides would reject that rule and permit war in those circumstances purely to impose these laws on a Gentile society. This indicates that Nachmanides too does not require the imposition of Noachide law by a Jewish government.
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Tosafot also concurs with the rulings of Ravad and Nachmanides and deny that there is any obligation upon even a Jewish government to impose the Noachide commandments on nations under their control. No systemic obligation is present. Rashi, too, perhaps appears to side with Ravad on this issue. Rashba in his responsa also appears to agree.
A similar approach is found in Hagaot Ashrei, which state:A Noachide, even though he violates the seven Noachide commandments, and his warning is his execution and he does not need formal witnesses and warning, nonetheless every moment prior to his conviction in beit din, he is not liable for the death penalty and it is prohibited to kill him.This source clearly disagrees with the opinion of Maimonides discussed above and limits the obligation to punish Noachides to beit din.
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SANHEDRIN who the dragon has given them their seath and their Authority
 Indeed, it would seem logical that the beit din needed for this punishment is the same type of beit din needed to execute Jews, which has not been extant since prior to the destruction of the Second Temple.
WHO Crucified the LORD
This approach would make the comments of Hagaot Ashrei identical with Ravad. Even if this opinion is not accepted, and any regular beit din can function in this role, it is clear that no obligation is imposed upon individual Jews to punish Noachides for violations.
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In the two areas where this issue is codified into the halacha, the obligation for Jews to compel observance by Noachides is clearly left out. In the laws relating to keeping slaves, there is an intricate discussion of the rules relating to the circumstances in which a Jew may keep a Gentile slave who does not undergo (partial) conversion. This matter is fraught with disagreement beyond the scope of this paper. However, one thing is clear: neither Tur, nor Rama nor any of the classical commentaries on Shulchan Aruch quote the obligation to impose Noachide law upon Gentiles living -- either as a conditional slave or as an employee -- in the house of a Jew (and over whom presumably one could have considerable influence)
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. This is true even though the whole area is generally subject to codification, and Tur and Rama do quote and agree with the various other assertions of Maimonides found in Milah 1:6, but yet do not cite this one. Indeed, the notes to Rama clearly indicate that he accepts the rulings of Ravad on this matter. The fact that Maimonides quotes an obligation to compel observance by Noachide slaves which is deleted by the later authorities is indicative that his opinion is not considered binding according to halacha.
 So too, in both Tur and Shulchan Aruch when discussing the obligation to save Gentiles who do not observe the Noachide laws from life-threatening dangers, indicate that there is no obligation to punish violators of Noachide rules. For example, Beit Yosef states that there is no obligation (mitzvah) to kill Gentiles who do not obey the Noachide laws; similar sentiments can be found in Tur, Bach and Drisha. (Maimonides, in the sources cited above, clearly rejects this.) Rama, in Darchai Moshe He'Aruch adopts this posture also. Shulchan Aruch explicitly incorporates this rule. So too, Shach states "There is no obligation [mitzvah] to kill Gentiles even if they violate the Noachide laws" and Taz agrees with this assertion. This ruling -- not mandating the punishment of Gentiles for violating Noachide law -- stands in clear contrast to the assertion in Shulchan Aruch encouraging and certainly permitting the punishment (and even killing)
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of one who (is Jewish and) intentionally defies Jewish law. It is thus clear that Shulchan Aruch and the other various commentaries rule (contrary to Maimonides' assertion) that Gentiles need not be punished by Jews for violating Noachide law according to Jewish law. There is no obligation or duty to compel observance of Noachide law by Gentiles.
On the other hand, even these authorities who reject the obligation could accept the assertion of Sefer HaChasidim, that it is a meritorious thing to do which imitates God's conduct towards the Noachides at Ninveh. Absent other factors, it seems obvious that it is laudatory to instruct a Noachide of his obligations, both for reasons mentioned by Rabbi Yehuda Hachasid, for those mentioned by Maimonides in Malachim 10:11 and for those discussed in the Postscript.
Thus, while Maimonides is relatively clear that when possible Jews must impose Noachide law, one could reasonably conclude that the weight of the rishonim and codifiers disagrees with that conclusion and assert that there is no obligation for any individual Jew to compel a Noachide to cease violating the Noachide commandments or that the obligation is limited to messianic times or to resident aliens.
2. When a Noachide will Certainly Violate the Law, May Jews Assist in the Violation? [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
In a situation where, no matter what a Jew or the Jewish tradition says or does, the Gentile will nonetheless perform an action which violates the Noachide code, is there an obligation to withdraw oneself from the situation? If there is an obligation to separate a Noachide from sin -- as mandated by a broad reading of Malachim 8:10 and Milah 1:6 -- certainly one cannot assist him in sin.
Pesachim 22b quotes the following statement of R. Natan:R. Natan said from where do we know that one may not extend a cup of wine to a Nazir nor a limb of a live animal to a ben Noach? The source is from the verse "before a blind person thou shall not put a stumbling block."Thus it is clear that one may not enable a Noachide to sin. If absent the assistance of a Jew no violation could or would take place, it is a biblical violation of lifnei iver for a Jew to assist a Noachide in violating his law.
However, Avoda Zara 6b quotes R. Natan's statement and limits its application to an instance of trei ibra d'nahara (literally "two sides of a river"). Thus only when the Noachide is on one side of a river and flesh of a living animal is on the other side so that he cannot obtain it on his own, is the one who extends it to him in violation of lifnei iver. On the other hand, if the Noachide and the flesh are on the same side of the river (chad ibra d'nahara), so that he could procure the meat on his own, then the person who gives it to him is not in violation of lifnei iver. The assumption is that the prohibition will be violated in any case and the assistance does not enable the sin.
This discussion relates only to the biblical prohibition called lifnei iver; however, is there a rabbinic prohibition to assist a Noachide in violating his seven commandments even when he can violate them independent of the helper? This issue is a crucial one, for it addresses whether there is a general obligation to separate a Noachide from sin (lehafresh ben noach ma'issur). It is impossible to accept Maimonides' opinion that Jews must compel observance of the Noachide laws and simultaneously rule that one need not separate a Noachide from sin.
They will hand you gold and when you extend your hand these sick satanic Viper will cut your hand off in their entrapment of the murderer their father. I say BITE that Hand.
Two schools of thought seem to exist. The first position is taken by Tosafot, Mordechai, Rama and Shach each of whom accepts that when one is not in a "two sides of the river" situation, there is no prohibition associated with assisting a Noachide who sins. Rama states that there are those who rule that it is only prohibited to sell Noachides supplies used for their idol worship when others will not supply them; however, when others can supply them, there is no prohibition. He concludes by adding "The tradition is in accordance with this opinion; pious people (literally: spiritual people) should conduct themselves in accordance with the stricter opinion".
Shach states this even more clearly:In my humble opinion, all authorities agree with the opinion of Tosafot and Mordechai that it is permissible to aid a Noachide ... [All those] who argue are discussing the case of a Jew whom one is obligated to separate from sin . . Such is not the case for a Noachide ... whom we are not obligated to separate from sin.This ruling has a significant impact on the issue of the Jew's obligation to prevent a Noachide from violating his seven commandments. Essentially, this school of thought accepts that once one cannot actually prevent the violation from occurring, there is no obligation to dissuade or convince a Noachide from violating the law. Indeed, one may actively assist him by providing him with things that he can otherwise acquire on his own.
Then they will kill him "Wonderfully"
This approach -- which rules that there is no obligation to prevent sinning by a Noachide or convince a Noachide to cease sinning -- is accepted by nearly all authorities, including Magen Avraham, Gra, Levush, Beit Shmuel, Machatsit HaShekel, Dagul Merevavah, and Berchai Yosef. Indeed, it is important to realize that a number of authorities reach the conclusion that it is permitted to assist a Noachide while prohibited to assist an unobservant Jew.
For if they do it to a jew they are jew baiting their "lesser" gods
This is based on their observation that there is no obligation to separate a Noachide from sinning. (The precise rationale to distinguish between an unobservant Jew and a Noachide is beyond the scope of this paper.)
meaning they do not want to REVEAL their sick deception
While this author has seen no authority explicitly attempt to harmonize these rulings with Maimonides' ruling cited above, one could easily do so by limiting Maimonides' ruling to a situation where one literally can compel observance of the law, which would then make the situation a "two side of the river case." That would argue that the word "to compel" (lekof) used by Maimonides should be limited to just that situation. Equally interesting, many of those rishonim who clearly argue with Maimonides concerning the obligation to enforce Noachide law discussed in section III, also clearly aver that there is no obligation to separate a Noachide from sin. Their position too is consistent. Indeed, this author would note that any authority who rules that a Jew may assist a Noachide in a violation of the Noachide rules (when the Noachide can do the violation without the Jew's assistance) must rule that there is no obligation upon any particular Jew to convince a Noachide to obey the commandments.
The second position is taken by Rabennu Nissim ("RaN"). RaN states that there is a separate rabbinic prohibition, called mesaya yedai overai averah (literally: "aiding the hand of those who sin") to assist a person -- Jew or Noachide -- in sin even in situations where the person can do the sin without the help of another. While many authorities accept the opinion of the RaN concerning a Jew who is generally not observant, as noted above this opinion essentially is rejected in Jewish law concerning a Noachide -- the classical exception being a lone Tashbetz who rules that it is halachically prohibited to assist a Noachide in sin, since Jews are obligated to separate Noachides from sin.
and Obligated to separate their heads from their bodies in their sick perverted talmudic Bloodlust of their Dragon god who is not GOD of Heaven
According to RaN's approach, Maimonides' ruling, cited above, could be understood in two different ways. In situations where a Jew can literally compel observance of the law, that would be a biblical obligation. In situations where compulsion would not work, there would be a rabbinic obligation at least not to assist. This position is neutral on the proper understanding of Malachim 8:10 (which appears to compel observance), as even if there is no obligation to compel observance, one could readily imagine the Sages prohibiting actually assisting in a violation, even if there is no obligation to deter the sin. If one accepts Maimonides in Malachim 8:10, one must at the minimum accept RaN's rule.
Maimonides, himself, however appears to be completely consistent. Maimonides appears to rule that one may never aid a person who is attempting to violate the law -- Jew or Noachide -- even if, when one declines to aid him, another will do so. This is true whether or not the next person who aids him is also obligated to observe the law. Thus, his position rejects the approach taken in Avoda Zara 6b and makes no distinction between one or two sides of the river. Maimonides' position is thus completely consistent. He prohibits assisting another in sin in all situations, and compels both Jews and Noachides actively to prevent others from violating Noachide law.
3. The Responsa of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
The Head sick perverted Viper of the Chabad Lubavitch who instigated the 102nd Congress of Treason of Heil Bushkevik to set up HJR 104, PL 102-14
When a Jew contemplates violating Jewish law, there is an obligation upon Jews not only to prevent him (physically if necessary and possible) from violating the law, but also there are obligations to teach him or her about the law and to induce or persuade compliance. Indeed, in a post-emancipation society, limiting Jewish sinning rarely is done with coercion and force, and is typically done through persuasion and teaching. As noted above, in this author's opinion, the halacha as generally understood by most authorities rules that there is no obligation to persuade and teach Noachides about the Noachide law. None of the classical commandments designed to deter sinning by Jews (except the biblical prohibition of lifnei iver, which was discussed in part 2 of this section) is generally thought to applicable to Noachides. Thus, there is no obligation of tochacha (to rebuke) a Noachide who sins, there is no notion of arvout (cooperative activity) that compels collective responsibility, and no obligation to separate a Noachide from sin.
One modern responsa stands out as advocating an approach completely different from that generally accepted by Jewish law. The strongest case that a Jew is obligated to teach and persuade a Gentiles to keep the seven commandments is found in the writings of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson of Lubavitch, in one of his classical responsa. After quoting Maimonides, Malachim 8:10 discussed in part one, Rabbi Schneerson states:It is obvious that this obligation [found in Maimonides, Malachim 8:10] is not limited only to a Jewish court, since this commandment is unrelated to the presence of a ger toshav (resident alien), and thus what is the need of a beit din. . (SANHEDRN). . Thus, this obligation is in place in all eras, even the present, when no gera toshav can be accepted and it is obligatory on all individuals who can work towards this goal. So too, this commandment is not limited to using force -- where, in a situation we cannot use force, we could be excused from our obligation -- since the essence of the obligation is to do all that is in our power to ensure that the seven Noachide commandments are kept; if such can be done through force, or through other means of pleasantness and peace, which means to explain [to Noachides] that they should accept the wishes of God who commanded them in this rules. This is obviously what is intended by Maimonides.
their god who Has no Only Begotten Savor son, by Grace, and their god who is no god but the Dragon
* * *In Responsa Tashbetz (3:133) it states that even in a case where there is no prohibition of lifnei iver, such as two sides of the river, still it is prohibited to assist Noachides who wish to sin, since "we are obligated to separate them from sin." In reality, we have no source for the obligation to separate a Noachide from sin, if it is not derived from the remarks of Maimonides discussed above [Malachim 8:10] that we are obligated to coerce them into accepting commandments, and thus, of course, we may not assist them in violating them.
Rabbi Schneerson concludes by stating:From all of the above, it is clear that anyone who has in his ability to influence, in any way, a Noachide to keep the seven commandments, the obligation rests on him to do so, since that was commanded to Moses our teacher. Certainly, one who has connections with Noachides in areas of commerce and the like, it is proper for him to sustain the connection in order to convince and explain to that person, in a way that will reach that persons heart that God commanded Noachides to keep the seven commandments...In this author's review of the literature, the weight of halachic authority is contrary to this analysis, although it certainly is morally laudatory (all other things being equal) to convince Noachides to keep and observe the Noachide laws. Three proofs can be adduced which indicate that the ruling of Rabbi Schneerson is not accepted by most authorities. First of all, as he himself notes, his position assumes that there is an obligation to separate a Noachide from sin. As noted in detail in part 2 of this section, nearly all authorities reject that assertion. Second of all, it assumes the halachic correctness of the opinion of Maimonides concerning the general obligation to compel observance by Noachides; this author suspects that the normative halacha is codified in favor of those who disagree with Maimonides and thus rejects the rulings found in Maimonides 8:10. Finally, it assumes that even within the position of Maimonides the obligation to compel observance includes within it the obligation to persuade. No support is advanced to that proposition, and by analogy, one could easily assert that merely because compulsion is mandatory (when possible) to prevent a violation, persuasion need not also be mandatory.
EVERY thing they DO is a Lie for they are of the Liar, their father the murderer
In addition, proof that there is no obligation upon any individual Jew to teach Noachides their laws can be found in the many responsa that permit the teaching of Noachides about their laws: these many responsa all permit this activity -- but none rule it obligatory or compulsory.
In addition, this author believes that systemic jurisprudential concerns within halacha for reciprocity (which are constantly present and which are beyond the scope of this paper) mandate symmetry of obligation between Noachide and Jew. Jewish law certainly does not compel Noachides to enforce their legal system on Jews and certainly does not authorize Noachides to punish Jews for violations of Jewish law.
hahahhahhahahhahhah who make their laws but will not lift a finger to do them themselves
To impose an un-reciprocal obligation upon Jews would violate jurisprudential norms found in Jewish law, where systemic obligations to act for the benefit of others is typically only imposed when those others are obligated to do the same were the situation reversed. Noachides are not obligated to enforce Jewish law; Jews thus are not obligated to enforce Noachide law.
V. Conclusion [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
This article started by reviewing the halachic obligation of Gentiles to obey the Noachide commandments, and concluded that notwithstanding a minority opinion to the contrary, halacha accepts that Gentiles are obligated to keep the Noachide laws, and they are obligated even for unintentional violations. So too, halacha recognizes that Gentiles are obligated to create a system of laws designed to -- at the minimum -- enforce the Noachide laws and punish Noachide violators. This article then continued by noting that Maimonides appears to accept that Jews as well as Noachides are obligated to enforce the Noachide laws; however, many authorities, early and late, including Rama, reject this rule of Maimonides and deny that there is a halachic obligation on individual Jews to compel Noachides to observe their laws. Indeed, Rabbi J. David Bleich states without any equivocations "Jews as individuals are not required to secure compliance with the Noachide Code on the part of non-Jews."
Finally this article noted that whether there is (or is not) a halachic obligation to affirmatively enforce the Noachide laws, it is nonetheless still biblically prohibited to enable a Noachide to violate the Noachide laws (if absent a Jew's assistance, the law would not be violated). However, in a situation where the Noachide is able to violate the law without the assistance of any Jew, nearly all authorities rule that there is no obligation to prevent a Noachide from sinning and thus one may even assist the Noachide in sin. Clearly then, classical halacha does not compel a Jew to persuade or entice a Noachide to observe the law. Rama rules that one may assist, but pious people should abstain from this activity. Shach indicates that even pious people need not abstain from this activity. Rama's assertion that pious people should abstain from this activity can be supported both as a minority opinion within halacha, and as the ethical direction of Sefer Hachasidim with which this paper opened.
VI. Postscript [RETURN TO TABLE OF CONTENTS]
It is the conclusion of this paper that generally halacha sees no technical obligation in most situations -- even as it is morally laudatory -- to insure that Noachides obey their laws. Two observations need to be made.
Initially, as with all issues, the outer parameters of that which is halachically permissible do not establish that which is morally laudatory (or perhaps even halachically encouraged). Thus the words of Perkai Avot need to be quoted:[Rabbi Akiva] used to say, Humanity is precious since people were created in God's image.The remarks of Tosafot Yom Tov are also relevant. He states:
the Image of Christ Jesus who created man in that Image, whom these hassidic DOGS without denyRabbi Akiva is speaking about the value of all people...He wished to benefit all people including Noachides...Rabbi Akiva seeks to elevate all inhabitants of the world...as are the remarks of Rabbi Yehuda Hachasid, with which this paper opened. Indeed, Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik continues the theme of Sefer Hachasidim concerning Ninveh when he states:
and slay them who will not worship their beastThere may be an additional reason for Jonah's association with Yom Kippur ... Ninveh was the capital city of pagan Assyria ... It was a country which would later, under Sennacherib in 722 B.C.E. besiege Jerusalem and exile the ten tribes. Yet God's compassion embraces all of humanity ... It is, therefore characteristic of the universal embrace of our faith that as the shadows of dusk descend on Yom Kippur day ... the Jew is alerted ... that all of humanity are God's children. We need to restate the Universal dimension of our faith, especially when we are sorely persecuted and are apt to regard the world in purely confrontational terms.In a similar vein are the remarks of the Kuzari, which indicates that the moral relationship of the Jews to the nations of the world is similar to that of the heart to the rest of the body.
their father the murderer since the beginning the serpents brood den of vipers of Dan the Viper by the way side
sick black heart
Thus, there are many theological or halachic reasons why it might be proper to teach Noachide laws generally, and indeed, a claim can be made that halacha obligates a truthful response to an honest query from a Noachide concerning his obligation under the Noachide code.
Secondly, this paper has left unexplored many other rationales for seeking enforcement of Noachide law. The words of Maharam Schick should be quoted:[I]t appears that any situation that involves judging violators, even if they are Noachides, is a Jewish people's concern, for others will learn from any wrong done in public and will follow suit and, in the least, the sight of evil is harmful to the soul. Thus, it is our concern. In any case, it is inconceivable that any person living among the residents of a given city be beyond the jurisdiction of the court.Rabbi Bleich puts it a little differently. He states:Despite the absence of a specific obligation to influence non-Jews to abide by the provisions of the Noachide Code, the attempt to do so is entirely legitimate. Apart from our universal concern, fear lest "the world become corrupt," as Maimonides puts it, it is also very much a matter of Jewish concern and self-interest. Disintegration of the moral fabric of society affects everyone. Particularly in our age we cannot insulate ourselves against the pervasive cultural forces which mold human conduct. Jews have every interest in promoting a positive moral climate.Thus they will murder even as they did in the days of Noe
Thus, there might be many practical reasons why it is a wise idea to teach vigorously the Noachide code, or selective parts of it, to Gentiles.
On the other hand, the apparent absence of a general halachic obligation upon Jews to increase observance of the Noachide code by Gentiles allows for a balancing of Jewish interests to occur. The possibility that there might be circumstances where the unfettered teaching of the Noachide code in the United States, where distinctions based on religious affiliation cannot be governmentally defended, could be deleterious to the observance of halacha by Jews is not to be dismissed.
Thus the Fettered Education Day USA, No Child left behind from the Dragon of George W. Bushkevik the Treasonous Viper of Judeo-Churchinsanity. They do it stealthily
 So too, the possibility that a clearly Jewish attempt to seek enforcement of Noachide laws could result in vast antagonism and backlash toward Judaism from those groups whose conduct is categorically prohibited by Noachide law is not to be dismissed. Long term damage to broad Jewish interests might occur.
All of the concerns -- on both sides of the issue -- are real. How to weigh the likelihood of each of these scenarios and there consequences, is beyond the scope of this paper and perhaps varies from issue to issue and case to case -- although once it is established that no technical halachic obligation is present, a broad variety of realpolitik factors comes into play, each attempting to evaluate what will be in the long term best interest of the Jewish people. These political factors are much less relevant when technical halachic prohibitions are on the line, but are certainly significant when discussing the advisability of undertaking discretionary conduct.
* Associate Professor of Law, Emory University School of Law, Atlanta GA 30322. Telephone: 404 727-7546; Fax 404 727-3374; Email; email@example.com. Rabbi Howard Jachter commented on a version of this article, and his comments were appreciated.
For excellent works surveying issues concerning Noachide law generally, see Rabbi J. David Bleich, "Mishpat Mavet Bedenai Benai Noach," Jubilee Volume in Honor of Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik 1:193-208 (5754); Rabbi J. David Bleich, "Hasgarat Posh'a Yehudi sheBarach LeEretz Yisrael", Or Hamizrach 35:247- 269 (5747); Professor Nahum Rakover, "Jewish Law and the Noahide Obligation to Preserve Social Order", Cardozo L.Rev. 12:1073-xxxx (1991); Professor Nachum Rakover, "Hamishpat Kerech Universali: Dinim Bebnai Noach" 15-57 (5748); Encyclopedia Talmudit, "Ben Noach" 3:348-362; Professor Aaron Lichtenstein, The Seven Laws of Noah (2nd Ed., 1986). (As a general matter, this article will attempt to provide citations, to both English and Hebrew versions of works when both exist for the convenience of some readers.)
This body of this paper will not address the merits of alternative rationales for enforcing the Noachide commandments, such as, for example, to teach and direct the Jewish community. It is a famous story, often recounted, that Rabbi Yisrael Salanter favored the translation of the Talmud into German and its introduction in the curriculum of German Universities; when asked to explain his support, he replied that if the Gentiles think talmud study is important, maybe the Jews will study it also! For a detailed discussion of this issue, see Dov Katz, Tenuat HaMussar 1:22-25 and Rabbi J. David Bleich, Contemporary Halakhic Problems 2:319-320. So too, that rationale could be advanced to support enforcement of the seven commandments. See also the Postscript for more on this issue. This article was previously published in "Jewish Law and the Obligation to Enforce Secular Law," in The Orthodox Forum Proceedings VI: Jewish Responsibilities to Society, (D. Shatz & C. Waxman eds.) 103-143 (1997).
The reading, "of their wise men," ("ela mehakhmeihem") is to be found only in manuscripts and not in printed editions of Maimonides' Code. The same reading may be found at Y. ben Moshe, Introduction to Ma'aseh haEfod (1403) (Rabbi Yitzhak ben Moshe is also known as Profiat Duran haLevi of Catalonia); and at Y. ben R. Shem Tov, Kevod Elokim 29:1 (1556). See also Z. Hayyot, [1 Kol Sifrei Maharatz Hayyot 61], at 66; Maharatz Hayyot, 2 Kol Sifrei Maharatz Hayyot 1035 . . .; A. Kook, Iggrot Re'iyah, Iggeret no. 89, 100.
It is recounted in Sanhedren 56b. Rabbi Yochanan states that the seven Noachide laws were given based on the verse 'God commanded Adam stating: from all the trees in the garden you may eat' [Genesis 2:16]. "veyetzav" is the source for dinim since it states . . .; "elokeim" is the source for berchat hashem, since it states .... Contrary to this is the opinion of Rabbi Yitzchak who states that "veyetzav" is the source for the prohibition of idol worship; "elokeim" is the source for the dinim....Rama continues:
Rabbi Yochanan, who learns dinim from "veyetzav" understands that Noachide law only obligates observing the customs of the community and judging people . . . However, Rabbi Yitzchak has a completely different approach and he learns dinim from "elokeim" as a gezera shaveh from the verse "and the litigant shall approach the judge ("elokeim") [Ex. 20:3]. He rules that Noachide laws are the same as those laws commanded to the Jews at Sinai, and thus he learns them from a verse announced at Sinai.
One finds although torah law and Noachide law differ in the details, the principles used are the same, since they derive from the same source. Moreover, the two systems exist concurrently: while Jews have torah law, the other peoples abide by the Noachide code.Sefer Haikarim 1:25.
Nevertheless, one point requires clarification. Punishment of malfeasors may be a royal prerogative. That, however, does not establish an obligation [for Jews] to assist the king in exercising that prerogative. . . . Reason demands that a murderer be brought to justice and punished. Reason similarly demands that punishment be carried out only in accordance with legal procedures and only by duly constituted authorities because the alternative would similarly lead to a breakdown of the social order. Just as reason forbids a person to take the law into his own hands, it also mandates that there be no interference with the administration of justice by properly constituted authorities.Rabbi Bleich, supra note 61, at 856.
R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon met a police officer. R. Eleazar said to him, "How can you detect the thieves . . .? Perhaps you take the innocent and leave behind the guilty." The officer replied "And what shall I do? It is the king's command." [R. Eleazar then advised this policeman how to determine who was a thief and who was not] . . . A report was heard in the royal court. They said, "Let the reader of the letter become the messenger." R. Eleazar son of R. Simeon was brought to the court and he proceeded to apprehend thieves. R. Joshua son of Karchah, sent word to him, "Vinegar, son of wine! How long will you deliver the people of our God for slaughter?" R. Eleazar sent the reply, "I eradicate thorns from the vineyard." R. Joshua responded, "Let the owner of the vineyard come and eradicate his thorns."Rabbi Eliezer was rebuked for assisting the government in the prosecution of criminals, thus indicating that this conduct is not proper or at least the subject of a dispute between Rabbi Eleazar and Rabbi Joshua.
FREEMASON TREASONOUS Judges
bush opening borders
Some are former Christian clergymen who no longer consider themselves Christians. They use many Jewish practices, but don't convert to Judaism. About 250 of them met in Athens, Tenn., recently, reports Ecumenical Press Service. James D. Tabor, member of an advisory council, says members tend to be "disenfranchised former Christians" who "do not denounce belief in Jesus" but the "most they would say is that he was a great teacher." Tabor says members want to identify with the "ethical monotheism" of Judaism without converting to it. He says they uphold the "laws of Noah," such as those against idolatry, blasphemy, bloodshed, sexual sins and theft.It is worth noting that these communities do seek rabbinic guidance; see "Tennessee Church Studies Judaism" Sun Sentinel, Friday May 31, 1991 Page: 5E discussing involvement of local orthodox rabbi.
It seems to this writer that while there exists no obligation to volunteer information (although it may well be laudable to do so), there is an obligation to respond to requests for information. Jews are commanded to disseminate Torah as widely as possible among their fellow Jews, but there is no obligation to seize the initiative in teaching the Seven Commandments to Noachides. Nevertheless, when information or advice is solicited there is a definite obligation to respond. When a non-Jew takes the initiative in posing a query, the Jew must respond to the best of his ability.Rabbi J. David Bleich, Contemporary Halakhic Problems 2:339.
For all of you Judeo-Churchinsanity apostate Treasonous "Amarakans" who love your "Chosen", You err greatly
Just Like Sofiet RED "Amaraka" so they do in the Former Sofiet Union
reckon it was Sensenbrenner?
The lawmaker, Alexander Moskalets, deputy head of the lower house's constitutional legislation committee, declined to comment on the initiative, which was part of a package of electoral legislation to be voted on in its second reading Wednesday.
But speculation has been rife that Putin would seek to stay in power beyond 2008. The 52-year-old former secret service chief, hand-picked to succeed former President Boris Yeltsin, has been highly popular since he was first elected in 2000.
Critics in the opposition accused the Kremlin clan of seeking a backdoor means for keeping Putin in office because they could not find a popular enough successor.
"They have decided to come up with various scenarios that would enable the president to stay on beyond 2008, because otherwise they will fear for their personal interests," said the leader of the nationalist Rodina (Homeland) party, Dmitry Rogozin, according to the news Web site Gazeta.ru.
Liberal opposition politician Irina Khakamada, who ran for president in 2004, suggested Putin's supporters, including in the powerful secret service faction that now hold top positions in state companies, were worried about their future.
"There is a real problem surrounding the succession. All they are interested in is redistribution of assets," she said.
But she doubted the amendment would pass, saying Putin himself had no wish to tarnish his image or "burn his bridges with the international community" by circumventing the constitution.
In April, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Washington was concerned about democratic backsliding in Russia, and that the U.S. expected Putin to respect the constitution and step down at the end of his term.
During his time in power, Putin has placed national television under effective state control, abolished the direct election of regional governors to make them virtual Kremlin appointees, and eliminated the right of independent lawmakers to run for parliament.
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The Last Deception
section 14 "The Protocols of the Illuminated Elders of Tzion"
section 16 "The Beast Has Risen"
Daniel's Seventy Weeks
Was Peter a Jew?
The Two Witnesses
"The Whore of Babylon"
Are the " Ael-ians coming"
Wall Street " The Mark" is Here
Wall Street II
Wall Street III
It has happened "War Declared upon and in America"
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"All you ever need to know about their god and Qabalah"
Qabalah Part II
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National Identification Card
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A Sincere Request to "Rapture" Teachers
Compulsory Constitutional Cremation
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"The Fourth Beast"
The Babylonian Talmudic Mystical Qabalah
The Scribes of Baal
How will they do it- " The false-christ"
False Christ Part II
Baal's food Tax
"The Changing of the Guards"
"Summation" The beginning of sorrows has begun
"Moshiach ben Lucifer"
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I Witch, New One World Order Seal
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The Seed of God or the Seed of Satan, Your choice by faith
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I AM, the Revelation of Jesus Christ
King of the Noachides
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Harvest of Fear
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National Organization Against Hasidic International Talmudic Enforcement
Where's Da Plane Boss, wheres da plane?
The Tarot Card Killer of Olam Ha Ba
The "Lessor Jew"
Temporary Coup d' Etat
The Federal Reserve, Fed up with the Fed?
The Protocols Today. Dispute this, Liars !
Protocols Today Part Two
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Identity of the Illuminati
The "Son's of the Synagogue of Satan"Chabad Lubavitch
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The Chabad Phoenix is Rising
Columbia "The Queen of Heaven"
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Satan's One World Religion
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World Religion Part 5
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Re the god of Talmud Bavli
"The Raiser of Taxes"
Obedient Ishmael Kislev 19, 5764
The Final Nazi
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Nazi Part 4
The Lord of the Ring, the Return of the Talmudic king
Changing the Time and the Laws
The Leaven of the Chabad Lubavitch Chassidim Pharisees
Exod-U.S the coming Geula
Who murdered Jesus the Christ
"Replacement Theology" of Judaic Talmudism
Eating Rainbow Stew with a Silver Spoon, underneath a Noahide Sky
"The Two Whores"
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